tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3483274485929133507.post3944983005857937213..comments2023-09-02T06:15:58.305-05:00Comments on Under A Chindolea: Gay Marriage in the HeartlandNathan O'Halloran, SJhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08672001160647592501noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3483274485929133507.post-27802851293952903732009-04-06T22:34:00.000-05:002009-04-06T22:34:00.000-05:00I don't think it changes the fundamental terms of ...I don't think it changes the fundamental terms of the debate, but it seems to be a bigger blow to the cause of traditional marriage because it is a Midwestern state rather than the typically liberal state.<BR/><BR/>In truth, you were right before about the case for traditional marriage being undermined long ago by no-fault divorce and the march of the sexual revolution for heterosexuals.<BR/><BR/>I don’t think the Church should give up arguing for traditional marriage, but it is an open question of how the Church should react if the culture totally sweeps aside the last vestiges of it.Bobadillanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3483274485929133507.post-43864140626692222452009-04-06T08:38:00.000-05:002009-04-06T08:38:00.000-05:00True, there is an agrarian populist tradition in t...True, there is an agrarian populist tradition in the Midwest, most evident in Iowa and Minnesota, but I do not think that appeals to it is an adequate explanation of this ruling. Agrarian populists certainly are economic leftists, even socialist in some of the movement’s older manifestations. Socially speaking, however, the movement has deeply Christian roots that have never been positive toward equal rights for homosexuals. <BR/><BR/>After all, this sort of populism is the same movement that catapulted Pat Robertson in '88 and Mike Huckabee in ’08 to win the Iowa Republican caucuses.<BR/><BR/>The opinion reads much more like classical, non-religious progressive liberalism, which as far as I know, has never had deep roots in the Midwestern political tradition.<BR/><BR/>Mason SlidellNathan O'Halloran, SJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08672001160647592501noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3483274485929133507.post-53946819673202894972009-04-05T03:33:00.000-05:002009-04-05T03:33:00.000-05:00The midwest tends to be conservative, but you also...The midwest tends to be conservative, but you also have a strong populist and even progressive tradition in Iowa.<BR/><BR/>Here is an excerpt from a joint statement by the Iowa Senate Majority Leader and the Iowa House Speaker:<BR/><BR/>"Iowa has always been a leader in the area of civil rights.<BR/><BR/>In 1839, the Iowa Supreme Court rejected slavery in a decision that found that a slave named Ralph became free when he stepped on Iowa soil, 26 years before the end of the Civil War decided the issue.<BR/><BR/>In 1868, the Iowa Supreme Court ruled that racially segregated “separate but equal” schools had no place in Iowa, 85 years before the U.S. Supreme Court reached the same decision.<BR/><BR/>In 1869, Iowa became the first state in the union to admit women to the practice of law.<BR/><BR/>In 1873, the Iowa Supreme Court ruled against racial discrimination in public accommodations, 91 years before the U.S. Supreme Court reached the same decision"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com